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but also we frequently think of energy efficiency in the context of investor and utility rate payer program seen by the commission. that is a huge important part of the compliance solutions that the we see but the other part, several non repair program so if you think about the amount of money spent on energy efficiency in the united states from the order of $50 billion including private sector investments consumers, utility investments, a long-range of things and the bulk of this is happening outside the ratepayer programs and we want to make sure states and the opportunity to capture those benefits, take credit for them and also the we get the most cost-effective option moving forward. a few examples of those i will
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go into in a moment but certainly the ratepayer programs but also energy savings, performance contract in a public building sector, building energy code, commercial pays, industry investments in a range of other activities. some key take aways i would keep in mind as you consider the clean power plant and how it moves forward the electricity system as many of you know what is already undergoing dramatic change, certainly a shift in natural gas generation was underway, we have dramatic improvements in energy efficiency in many sectors ranging from the kinds of things we all know about but also emerging building technologies, we had a congressional briefing yesterday on 0 net energy buildings that you would be amazed to know the number of buildings emerging that produces much energy as they use. as will down the road in arlington, va. just opened the does that. the first three elementary
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schools built in kentucky do that so there are those issues, certainly integration of the internet and controls over how we use energy in the electric system is also come to barista utilities have a great deal to deal with and the commission and state energy office's and how they work with them and get at the same time i think we all expect reliable affordable, environmentally sensible power to be delivered so it is quite a challenge, that is an important thing to keep in mind and how complex it is to deal with all these issues. the other take away i mentioned the moment ago is thinking about a different approach, i don't mean anything inflammatory but a reminder is that we have a wide range of options embodied in the new approach, a great document that includes many ideas and i would encourage you to take a look at that and considered the issue as you look at a clean power plant and what states are
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doing. also insuring evaluation measurements and verification around efficiency programs are streamlined. is a balancing act, we probably have a habit in the energy community of measuring to a great degree of accuracy and while that is important this is serious business keeping air quality, meeting air requirements is a serious business. we don't want to make it impossible for states to move forward. finding that balance is a tricky detail and the focus of a lot of our work and of other organizations at least in this particular space. assisting states with ongoing no regrets programs and activities. continuing the dialogue we have had not only among the three end groups but also our members on the ground and that is the healthy and positive thing going on not only in this area but other areas of energy regulation, environmental regulation.
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a few things about ongoing activities. as bill mentioned we have been involved in working with both of their organizations for some time. we had a number of meetings noted here. some agreement on principles in 2014 but we submitted to e p a the we encourage you to look at, places where we found common agreement around energy efficiency as a compliance measure, certainly around reliability and a number of other issues and those are worth noting. we have been working on compliance case studies. looking at various energy efficiency areas typically beyond the ratepayer efficiency program but energy services industry, companies like johnson controls, the state energy office how they implement energy efficiency in public buildings so by way of comparison there is about $7 billion a year market in energy efficiency in public buildings. that is almost all privately financed. it is an opportunity we need to
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capture. there are additional funds at the federal level and many other examples. the planning sessions coming up in our meetings. as i mentioned we are working closely with the energy offices on no regrets options and the private sector associated with clean power plants but broadly to meet state and energy goals. one in particular worth noting we have a multistate tracking project going on in the public investment area trying to see where we can streamline activities in that space in terms of measuring the emissions that are saved to assess the with projects and the investment return and benefit to the taxpayer and energy-saving then so forth and a similar project with the state of texas and a number of other organizations looking at building in a code compliance so existing codes that are on the books, what energy-saving said they producing and how are we verifying that and what emissions reductions come from that. these are capturing existing programs that are cost-effective
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in many cases on their own merit and we are not capturing the emissions benefits the weekend want to make sure we do that. in the industrial space there are great opportunities, largely private sector voluntary activities. we see that over and over again. there are state energy office is the operator assistance and financing programs for small and large industrial partners and stakeholders on the ground. the amount of savings that can be generated is enormous. unless it is inside a utility program is generally not captured for many missions perspective that the state level some another opportunity. i think you get the flavor here. just a chart that gives you a sense of the level of private investment in the public building sector at the state and local level. so right now we are at $6 million a year escalating over time, estimated to be $20 billion if you years down the road and these are largely private sector investments,
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savings from the project. the project over time, the emissions associated with that are well-documented generally verified by contract. it is a great example and one of the areas we focus on. a number of ongoing activities in addition to coordination, i mentioned we are working with compliance studies in 7 or 8 areas. they are not all listed here but include use of power by the private sector whether it is at a hospital university or industrial plant, as are more efficient way to provide power in some cases capturing emissions from that so we are developing case studies for states to consider how that works at the state level and how they king capture those savings and draft plan language. that may be sending a state can plug into their plan and we are coordinating closely on that. many experts on the plan element but we are trying to provide as
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much as we can, packaged options staged news for the plan to move forward. we are doing that in other areas, building in rico but also retrofit of residential properties, existing federal programs, there is of well-known program energy star, new homes those savings are well documented and put out by epa, generally not captured at the state level for compliance purposes under environmental rules. the epa is satisfied with that program and the way we operate, it is an advantageous program and private sector builders. all of these activities are leading up to that initial take away that i mentioned which capture the least cost approaches. if i were in an energy office trying to advise my governor, work with my partner agencies, we want to find a way to get to
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the least cost approach to compliance of picking up on private investments the voluntary program, existing policies, logical places to begin. the trick is how to quantify that, doing it in an economic and reasonably simple format and have verifiable savings common meeting compliance requires that as it should. next steps where we are headed we will complete the efficiency pathways are case studies i mentioned over the course of the next couple months, we will submit those the environmental protection agency after our states had an opportunity comment on them. we have been working closely with them. those will be submitted as options for the epa to consider and shared with other options. and another important area.
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and the benefit is broader in energy and their coordination, national air efficiency registry. one of the challenges as many private sector and voluntary programs are implemented around energy-efficient see is who owns the efficiency credit, who owns the emissions reduction, is it verifiable, is it transparent? registry voluntary registry is an opportunity for state and local governments to enter those projects meet certain criteria and have a means of verifying that. it may promote the ability of the state to count toward it, accounting for and manage eagle, and obvious linkage. and a valuable approach. and governance rules. the climate registries on
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substance moving forward. and energy offices the epa regional office, the department of energy, and their plan for the regional offices. working across these representative members. at the end i want to reiterate what bill said, cooperation certainly among our members. not only on this area but over the years. and least cost approaches to meet what our interlinked goals and challenges. thank you.
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>> now we will turn to the third leg of this stool, charles gray, executive director of the national association of utility commissioners. and in 1999 he had been involved since 1979 serving in various capacities. and state commissions across the country, why is variety of issues i would deal with on a regulatory basis. it is electricity, gas and water, telecommunications and transportation. it varies across the country but
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covers a number of sectors. obviously requires a lot of skill, wisdom in terms of being able to cross these sectors, with different concerns, priorities, resources in each of the state so we are glad to welcome charles gray. >> i have one slide and that is it. thanks for the introduction and inviting the year these very glib speakers. and not attributed to any
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members especially since around c-span they are probably watching. i also have a second disclaimer, which is similar to what david said. considering merits of the epa proposal, they have taken no position for war against moving forward with this. very strongly opposing the proposal as well as supporting that. and as we get near the final roll, thanks for describing the national organization, i will just repeat 50 state commissions and the district of columbia and make sure we acknowledge the district of columbia is not a state. and importantly. regulate retail electric utility services at the heart of this
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discussion. and the focus of the clean power plant. important what that means many of the options bill has described in the menu falls squarely in regulatory jurisdiction of one or more state commissions and many other cases in the jurisdiction of the federal energy regulatory commission in areas of transmission for compliance options. as an example chapter 3 of bill's menu combined heat and power is a longstanding issue before the state public utility
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commission before i started working there in 1978, that it was called code generation at that time. the public utility commission, interconnection of the plan to the grid. the owner of the chp facility, those things those decisions as our compliance option have to be vetted by the state utility commission as it is added to the state plan. another example is retiring aging power plants utility commissions, if they are closed before their useful life is
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over to address if the plan hasn't been fully depreciated the decision itself to shutdown the plant may be required to be approved by public service commission. my point is that coordination in washington has been important, necessary, cross coordination between air regulators, in the states. it is crucial indispensable. there needs to be a dialogue going forward. talking about the relationship of a coordination between the three associations has been continuous and beneficial over the last three retreat for years. speaking from neighbors perspective a rewarding relationship throughout as david mentioned most of our work in the last year-and-a-half is on energy efficiency.
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and efficiency program. with a love final rule that has gone to o m b and will be coming out soon. we will have to broaden our relationship now and look at other issues as the energy efficiency questions we have worked on before. i know that we will be eager to participate in a broad discussion with the three as we go forward. when the rule is out, what role will members play an effort to develop state compliance plans? david mentioned quite accurately and our members are going to be focused on two issues, reliability and affordability. as economic regulators of the electric services, state commissions and the regulatory commission responsible for insuring that wholesale and retail services meet these goals affordability and reliability. members working closely with reliability issues over the last
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few months resulting in the letter to the epa on may 15th suggesting epa consider reliability safety valve. we have not taken a position as an organization on that proposal, but there is strong support among our members that the suggestion to epa be accepted and there be a contingency in case the compliance plans to raise reliability issues. in addition to the work on the compliance plans this is where my slide comes in america has been developing white papers and reports and response to what appears to be a growing interest in assessing what a regional compliance plan looks like or multistate compliance plan would look like. as reported this week inside
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climate news, 41 states are in regional groups exploring this multistate option including states that strongly oppose the cp p. those suggestions even if you don't like it you should do it rather than have the feds do it. this is working in a lot of states that are not wild about the 4 hosel. for our part week released a report last month on behalf of the eastern interconnections state planning council. you may know what that is. what was issued about a process for how you would get states together to think about putting together a regional plan, the white paper at the link is right there funded by the department of energy for grant assistance and it is based on two premises
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first that it protects us. the grid is interstate, compliance plans under section 111 our state specific so there needs to be a connection and the second premise that drives this discussion is multistate, there have been a lot of studies, multistate compliance plans reduce compliance costs, improve operationally efficiency and strengthen reliability. a lot of growing interest in trying to see how far this goes. one of the questions is will states have time to put something together that requires a lot of work. the white paper we issued provide steps and a process to initiate a multistate approach. contains a sample that states can look at it if you want to agree to as they come together, for their benefit.
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our paper focuses mostly on process issues but there are some proposals, many proposals on what a compliance plan like this might look like. probably the best known regional compliance plan is spreadsheet the regional greenhouse gas initiative which operates primarily in new england and mid-atlantic states, there was a story here, how to join reggie as well. likely to see that as a model, cap and trade system which may, states seek to join the existing reggie or set up a similar kind of project in other states. our friends at the regional transmission organization, those that run the grids and organize our markets also proposed some regional compliance plan that they would help implement
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through their concern over the power market, not quite clear to me how it is actually going to work but they are working on it ends recently the georgetown climate center released a paper outlining a system of single state compliance approaches within single state elements as of hybrid between a single state plan and a regional plan and that is going forward as well. many of the interstate elements are likely to be compliance options. it is not our role to tell the states they should do regional plans but clearly an option that have chosen will require close to the ordination among air regulators, energy office a utility commissions the we haven't seen before not only as we look at multiple jurisdictional authority. i will stop there. thank you for your attention and i will forward to the questions.
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>> thank you very much. i might mention too is that we hope in fall and september or hopefully once again to work with our colleagues here to put together another forum that really looks at the next steps forward and looking at model plans and what this might represent for the clean power plant is finally released. let's open it up for your questions and i would just ask you to go to the microphone here in the aisle and identify yourself with your question. do we have any? okay. >> just a quick question.
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you seem to esther categorical jurisdiction over implementation of the king power plant for the air quality regulators seemingly that was convicted by what mr. gray said. is the decision for state legislatures or has that already been decided in your mind? >> i think we are saying the same thing but i will let a check speak for himself. under the clean air act and the intersection 111 d, state air regulators have the legal responsibility of developing a plan and implementing the plan. we of course will be working with state utility regulators and state energy officials in pursuing the kinds of programs they both outlined and it may be that the state will have to take action with utility commissioners, concerns and
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energy officials concerns in mind as part of the plan but the ultimate responsibility lies with the state environmental agency and until we are told differently that is our responsibility. >> i don't disagree. clearly the lot is the law and air regulators are responsible for dealing with the environmental impact but that doesn't obviously the requirement that the state's improve what conditions improve with legally bound to do but they will be constructive dialogue on how that works so when you go forward you are not going to have the air regulators putting an element in a plan that the commission is not going to improve and vice versa and commissions will be constructive and try to give as much flexibility to the plan writers as possible.
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>> any other questions. >> angela from the department of energy. i have a question. i wondered if you are looking at distributed generation as part of the overall energy efficiency strategy? >> yes renewables specifically as well as micrograms combining power. the renewable, we are working with the number of states and renewable trade associations to see where that fits in. some of the challenges in that area are extremely dependent on state and the region you are in. a couple examples about issues we have to work for in the west, a great deal of renewable resources opportunities on federal grant, it has traditionally been very difficult for developers on federal land and a number of states if you look at the calculation of renewable opportunities in the draft rule much of the opportunities on federal lands. that is an example of a huge barrier that has to be worked
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through as an option. there are more technical barriers in terms of states that produce renewable power but perhaps don't consume as much and how does that credit fall? clean power plant draft rule was a little bit unclear on that. there are issues on both sides but the short answer is yes and there's a lot to do in that space. >> i might mention age you might want to address this, a chapter in the menu of options documented if you want to talk about that a little bit. >> we can talk about distributed generation and there is a chapter but i want to make a broader point, a couple points. the common denominator of the two points, there are opportunities this presents. there are certainly costs and it is clear the some of the opposition is focused on the
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cause of the limitations so we should not forget for one second that there are opportunities in this rule for power facilities, energy companies, the stake holders to benefit. i can only tell you for anecdote when we were developing our menu we must have had 38 meetings with regulated industries including renewable industries who wanted to be part of the menu. who wanted to communicate as widely as possible the kinds of things that their products could provide state regulators to be embodied in a plan. financially they benefit so it is not just an adverse impact on economic development in this
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state, there are efficiencies, there are tremendous opportunities that this program for the smart folks, the industries that really care can take advantage of npc that and i think we will see that even more once the final roll is implemented. in second quick point i will tell you a story about something similar. in january of 2011, epa proposed regulating states and power facilities and other manufacturing facilities with respect to greenhouse gases and they required at the time that all major facilities obtain a permit that would require the installation of best available control technology and at the same time, like today, there were a dozen governors who were suing the epa and not
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withstanding the fact those governors were suing and had legitimate concerns about this just like today's governors do. the state at the same time was developing the legislative and regulatory infrastructure to comply. they were not only playing both sides responsibly but they were hearing from their industries that they would not be able to expand or take advantage of opportunities in economic development if they did not have the regulatory infrastructure in place to do so, notwithstanding general opposition to the program. that was march of them and in the end every state but one adopted the program and went ahead because industry was telling them to and complied and the last date texas came along so there are opportunities if you see, out in this program to take advantage of a lot of things that can be done.
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>> thanks very much. other questions or comments? one issue i want to raise that built upon what you were saying in terms of looking at different chapters and one that talks about innovation pursuant to the original enactment of the clean air act it struck me is one of the things we saw there was there was a lot of innovation. law costs that were much lower than people anticipated, ala of things were different that were not necessarily anticipated. i was curious whether each of you could comment on that, what your experience is and what you are seeing and if there are any particular states or other industries and you think are
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looking at that. >> happy to comment. it is a great question. most of the energy offices report to their governors they have a particular focus on economic developments the technology, innovation generally in supporting business development of those innovations is incredibly important and i think we have repeatedly been surprised by the kind of innovation that takes place the kinds of electricity loads in this space the we anticipated ten years ago that haven't materialized and independent of the financial downturn the we had low demand is lower in many places because of that. del e d light bulbs, things the frankly only a few of us energy nerd's know about how building systems work together. i mention some of those things in my remarks and one thing i would add to that, it emphasizes or builds on what bill just said
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with regard to benefits. 39 of the state's have formal energy plans, comprehensive energy plants, the state energy offices are responsible to the governor when the governor comes in, and slightly mandated. you look across the entire energy spectrum, technologies, companies in their states, research capabilities in their states, natural resources, they try to figure out where to support package to their pathways and part of that process much like the regulatory framework bill mentioned really helps to drive innovation and economic development so there is another side to this that is important to look at and traditionally as we see environmental rules for state implemented bowls or passed legislation, that really does drive innovation drives the cost down. we need to make sure the regulatory process, or plans like the queen power plant allow the flexibility and private investment needed to make that
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happen because that is where it will come from. >> a few points. the clean air act like other important domestic legislation is a wonderful case study in regulatory development. when a rule is proposed before it is finally adopted most interest groups come up with a worst-case scenario, highest cost. we could fight the playbook of the rhetoric that once a rule is proposed, is as if the sky is falling. once the rule is finalized the industry, this is a huge complement to them. the industry's have an immense amount of talent and a shift their focus from rhetoric to now they have to comply and what do
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they do? they find ways to address national goals. they hadn't shared the rulemaking process but i give you a couple examples. during that acid rain debate leading up to the 1990s clean air act, the estimates for allowances to reduce sulfur dioxide or ten times higher than the actual allowance sold for after implementation. when reformulated gasoline was debated in congress and congress adopted a law and the epa adopted regulations leading up to that, you and look this up it is public information, there was talk about long lines at gas stations. the cost of gasoline from $0.10 to $0.25 higher and in reality
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the costs of reformulated gasoline was a fraction of a penny. it wasn't even noticeable and oil companies learned how to reduce pollutants in the gasoline when they were required to. there is acute opportunity for technical advancement. it may not be shared now but once the roll is promulgated you could almost guarantees that the impact and costs that have been projected will be reduced and i mean that as a compliment to the industry has to comply. >> i observed there's a lot of innovation going on, in the power plant. i go to many conferences were utility, the future is debate about we are going to distribute a distributed model 0 with storage and rooftop solar has become a big issue. the innovation has been
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underway, what is happening with the new york commission for the new business model and prepare the commissions for a new regulatory model. this industry has moved slowly over a time making long-term investments for assets and infrastructure to be there for a while and innovation is probably not as fast as we saw in the telephone side but clearly it is underway and will benefit the compliance plan a great deal. >> a lot will happen without a clean power plant. could you get in line every there? >> another question, the department of energy. who is leading the charge
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starting on the compliance plan regulated utilities make sure their interests are protected. being a most actively involved on this stage. >> should probably all answer that. >> excellent question. i want to jump out and say the environmental agency's but i will temper that response and say we are being day. in a good way with requests for meetings requests for meetings and discussions with all effective stakeholders. the environmental agencies as i mentioned earlier have the responsibility, affected stakeholders' both government and industry are not being shy
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about seeking out meeting this and trying to weigh in. it is a collaborative effort in some strategies this will be a utility only strategy and state will have less responsibility or little responsibility. it will be up to the utilities so the smart utilities are going in and making their case. in other strategies it will be partly state driven and partly utility driven and other common elements and other stakeholders will be engaged. is a shared responsibility. >> talking about anecdotes getting a lot of anecdotal reports that a lot of states have workshops that they put together when all the regulatory bodies as well as stakeholders to thread their way through this discussion. you also see legislation is
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where the governor is going to have to sign off on the plan which is out there as well so it is going to vary from state to state but ultimately just under the clean air act, the air regulators are legally responsible for submitting a plan. >> basically that is from the energy office perspective. lot of variation from state to state. the air agency leadership and submission, there is, what i would say is surprising is the level of coordination across the three agencies at the state level and you may be surprised where that is occurring and is reflective of them being fought philandering the right thing for their constituents and thinking about the future so i think you can point to particular examples where a governor may have charged a particular agency to take the lead in some regard but generally it is more
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collaborative. >> that is really good news, terrific news. >> thank you. the natural resources defense council, we can argue the reliability of the data completely different argument. we have been hearing a lot of arguments about the threat to the clean power plant on low income rate payers in terms of rising rates but at the same time when we hear about the compliance options particularly for energy efficiency there's an emphasis on the industrial sector, my question for you is through the staples process what inputs need to be provided to ensure agency investments reached low income consumers and frets about rate hikes don't
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actually pen out? >> take a pass at that. who wants to start? >> i will start. very good point. and i know my members are very sensitive with. i will make two comments. one is in our report we don't have a specific chapter on environmental justice issues or the poor or those adversely affected but there are examples of whether there are programs other types of programs that are going to help the 4, help those that live in impoverished areas. we are involved in discussions
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with epa john assessing environmental justice problems throughout the country. we have been working it with them. permitting requirements affect our business and we are having to deal with these issues not just in climate strategies that regular implementation of the clean air act so we are sensitive to end doing our best to address these issues head on. >> low income impacts among state commissions in the states raising those questions, an important way to deal with that problem. low income and actually getting back to innovation questions
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some disruptive technologies that are now being talked about actually could result in shifting costs from one customer class to another so that is something people looking at to see that that doesn't happen and i would observe the department of energy issued one of their proposals having to do with a related issue which is net king emissions and they would provide billions of dollars for low income to reimburse low-income people who have to pay for more expensive pipeline in the grounds so i think there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle but it is still out there. >> i am glad you brought it a. several things going on in this area. i would say we are developing a mentioned such case studies and compliance plan language we're working on. and retrofit of low-income homes.
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the energy offices as a group always concerned about affordability. and low income households in particular. 26 of the offices around retrofit programs, most of that is federally supported. part of it is utility supported. and also private sector engagement, hundreds of millions of dollars invested in the retrofit side for low-income households across the country every year that the energy offices are engaged in. those programs are well monitored, measured, verify. the public dollars are carefully, the benefits to the president are multiple, comfort, health, safety, but because many of their electric bills are supplemented with federal, state or private funds it lowers those costs. that is another important piece to that. i would also say there is enormous private ventures the not captured. in north carolina, the programs
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supported by state related entity with habitat for humanity that has done over 4,000 newly efficient homes the guaranteed energy bills to be $24 or less per month heating and cooling so the efficiency gains that i'd there should be rolled up and captured. hopefully there is a way to monetize that end invest in that sector as part of this so they don't feel as much impact as a rate increase or bills increase. >> as it relates to federal state subsidies we know those subsidies are being reduced and when it comes to low-income weatherization in most cases 3 utility or other programs those programs are typically limited to direct install a light bulb or refrigerator not getting into much deeper retrofits particularly for low-income and my question to
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tie setback to you because i don't want to come away with the assumption that enough is being done. my question again is how do we ensure a greater proportion of investment that is generated and incentivized from a clean power plant actually reached the sectors of state doesn't in its plan for compliance doesn't say we will reach energy efficiency targets through putting everything in industrial or commercial and we don't need to address the sector how can we make sure these communities are at the
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>> i must say abased up on everything we heard it here. an important thing to remember, most states have skate consumer activity advocates. to make sure all of these people, all of these important issues being raised because that is an important issue.
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another approach being used by number of utilities. a hole approached on financing. how they are able to achieve the low income weatherization program. to residential dwellings across the country. >> the center of climate and security you focus on state level issues more than what is happening on the hill but i want your perspective if there are any proposals in the house or senate that could be complementary to the clean our plan. obviously there is an effort to allow states to opt out of it
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but the house, energy and commerce committee and the synergy resources committee looking at comprehensive energy bills to enact something. are there any specific proposals you're looking at weather and the energy efficiency side or natural gas permitting, or any potentially complementary policies, to be successful. >> we are very engaged on the process going on in congress in the energy perspective. and 70 now the number of those would complement the king -- clean power plant to promote efficiency, most are bipartisan in nature. there is the save act and the number of bills that produce
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proficiency benefit. with a clean power plant. one thing i point to the we are interested in, few energy bill signed into law. something the energy office, voluntary recognition processes for leaseholds if you are leasing office space recognition programs, there is great promise again promoting private sector investment. those are the things we see among the bills that would be helpful, financing measures that are important that contribute to that. >> i agree with what david said and i will repeat what i said earlier one of the most important legislative actions that could be taken over the next couple months to provide
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funding in the appropriations bills under the epa's budget the clean power plant. $25 million for assistance in the clean power plant, for other air pollution programs and what we have said to make it easier to support, $25 million for the clean power plant. to provide to the states, to how they spend it and those who spend it on climate for others that don't want to have a great use for it for the clean air programs. that would be very important. >> very quickly, we are looking at the legislation that has been
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offered in both houses, and what those are going on this is 111 talking about policies they are asked to consider and some of those would be beneficial to the clean power plant. >> next question. our question is going back to affordability and sustainability. micro grades, net 0 projects and associated renewable energy strategies. >> this is where it is -- of me understand the question a little better. >> go to the microphone again.
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of this city's where the epa has not regulated the technology, allow for that kind of support. >> that is a good question to make a broader point. if any of you can your colleagues, constituents the public, has any viable compliance option that they think could help the state or local agency everything is on the table. that is the point i was making earlier the we are not constrained by how epa set the target. we have an array of measures that could be included. if you think yours is a viable one the responsibility is to
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talk to the states as best you can, share that information and it could follow up afterwards and let them deal with their input on whether or not it makes sense. >> it is important, not everybody knows about strategy or technology or particular approach that may work. it strikes me that we are looking at a challenge that is different with regard to the proposed regulation that all of our speakers have talked about in that it does provide for much more in the way of options, great flexibility in terms of how the plans are put together and the nra of options that can
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be assembled across sectors and put together but it really is incumbent upon everybody to make sure as many options as possible are brought forward to those who are going to be held for responsible for making final decisions. we should not assume that everyone is going to know what all of those possible ideas might be and how they work. on that note i want to faint all of our speakers. i hope this was helpful to you and please make sure you look at that menu of options and the summary outside. >> told reporters. >> it will make bill feels so much better if you really go through over 400 pages so they can feel really good that their work is being taken seriously and i hope you leave this forum
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with a better understanding, i think this is a very exciting time in that we are really seeing coming together of officials on the state and local level who are working together to understand each other's perspectives, responsibilities and how best to solve problems that are going to make sense for their state. lenient thanking a wonderful panel. [applause] >> mary todd lincoln was known to be well educated and right. she spoke several l.a. would as fluently and had a strong interest in politics and took an active role in her husband's career. she suffered a series of
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emotional challenges. three of four children died before the gulf a better husband was assassinated while sitting next to her at the theater. mary todd lincoln, this sunday night at 8:30 eastern on c-span's original cs first ladies influence and examining the public and private lives of the women who feel the position of first lady and daring plunge on the presidency from martha washington to michelle ng obama sunday's on american history tv on c-span3. >> on c-span's road to the white house more presidential hopefuls announce their candidacy for president live today on c-span former secretary of state hillary clinton will kick off her campaign with a speech that will outline her agenda live from the fdr for freedom party in new york city at 11:00 eastern. monday afternoon at 3:00 on c-span3 live at miami dade college for former florida governor jeb bush officially announcing his candidacy and on
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tuesday on businessman donald trump announces whether or not he will make a bid for the presidency at new york's trump tower at 11:00 eastern and you can watch all of these events online at c-span's road to the white house 2016. ..


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